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Validation and Verification of Personal Experiences on the Second Day of Starting the Practice.


When we talk of mind and body we talk of consciousness and nervous system. This is the sixth step in learning the practice of TM which is the practical aspect of the Science of Creative Intelligence.35

In the First Day of Verification and Validation of Personal Experiences, we analyzed the experiences in the light of correct and incorrect characteristics of meditation. And after the first day of verification and validation of experiences the beginner of meditation feels so confident in his practice intellectually that the real joy of practice starts from the next day. It is always supplementary; knowledge is always supplementary to experience. When the first day one meditates and when his experiences are verified and validated as correct experiences and if he has been a little off the way he is brought back amended. Incorrect experiences amended -- practice stabilized. And then when he starts to meditate he really experiences something with the total value of his mind and feelings, emotion and understanding. So the Second Day after starting the practice it is very important to see what he experiences in the full value of his enthusiasm of the practice. Because the First Day he has known this is right, this is not right; now with this knowledge of right and wrong of the practice, when he practices naturally the practice is more straight and therefore, we expect him to experience whatever he experiences during the meditation much more clearly than what he did on the First Day; and therefore this is the time, the Second Day is the time, to actually analyze the experiences in the light of body and mind. Consciousness and nervous system; again there is a standard form to fill out; and the items of that form then are analyzed in terms of what is happening to the mind and what is happening to the body.

And it is a very, we would say, critical time in the history of practice of meditation that a man starts on; he starts on a new page of the history of his life; the Second Day of verification and validation of personal experience is so very important; this, as we say, he's starting on a new page of the book of history of his life.36 This is the day when he is going to know what happens on the level of the body; mind and body; consciousness and nervous system; and very interesting and very informative knowledge is going to come up. We'll begin with reviewing these experiences from both points of view, mind and body. All the fine mechanics through which the mind traverses in this practice will be revealed on the basis of the personal experiences which the man writes down on this form. Let us see the form and closely, on the basis of these items in the form, we'll analyze, and lay out a procedure which will establish the details of happening on the part of the mind and on the side of the body. Yes, let's see what the form contains.


  • How many times have you meditated since your last checking?37
  • How long did you meditate each time?
  • Did you at any moment find that you were unaware of body and surroundings?
  • Did thoughts disturb you?
  • During meditation did you notice any change in your breathing?
  • Approximately how many times do you lose the mantra during each meditation?
  • Do you remember any moments when there was [sic] no mantra and no thoughts?
  • After meditation do you feel inclined to rest or do you feel energetic?
  • Have you noticed any indication of increasing clarity of mind?
  • Have you noticed any improvement in your relationship with others?
  • Has anyone remarked upon any change in you?
  • How do you feel today as compared to yesterday?
  • Do you now feel that you have understood how to meditate?
  • Any other remarks?
  • Come tomorrow for verification of experiences and further instructions at: time place.

Read out the theme of analyzing these experiences.


PURPOSE: To explain normalization of the nervous system. Mechanics of stress release. Inward and outward strokes of meditation, bubble diagram, and grid. Value of thoughts and subjective and objective experiences.

Structure of Meeting:

  1. Pass out forms and collect.
  2. Go over forms and answer questions (20 minutes).
    1. Could being by asking for particular results noticed in activity.
    2. Ask if everyone had their two meditations at home; if began and ended with half minute/two minutes of silence.
    3. It was easy, some relaxation afterwards?
  3. Group meditation as soon as convenient.


We do not attempt to evaluate our meditations subjectively.38 But tonight we are going to analyze and evaluate all the possible experiences which can come up.

We have experienced in meditation that the mind experiences finer stats of the mantra without any effort on out part to reduce the mantra to finer states.

This means the mind travels inward spontaneously. Spontaneously means motivated by its own nature to settle down, therefore when the mind travels inward spontaneously, it is surprising how it comes out into a thought.

We must find an explanation for this outward march of the mind. Let us examine what happens when we meditate. The mind experiences finer states of the mantra, less concrete, more vague. Mental activity is reduced. When mental activity is reduced, the physical activity of the nervous system is reduced. We experience that breathing becomes less. With this the nervous system gets rest. With deep rest, deep rooted stresses are released (dissolved).39 The activity of release of stress is physical activity in the nervous system. This produces corresponding mental activity. This mental activity is a thought. Thus we find that a thought is an indication that some stress has already been released. Stress in the system is a foreign material40 and the nervous system is so constructed that it wants to throw out any deposit of foreign material. This is the nature of the nervous system.

Bubble Diagram

Thus we find the nature of the body (nervous system) is responsible for the outward stroke of the mind. Whereas the nature of the mind is responsible for the inward stroke. It is clear therefore that the movements of the mind inward and outward are both natural and it's better that we don't interfere with that which is natural. We start meditation and then, because everything that happens is natural, we are happy with what is naturally happening. Nature does it, and because nature is Almighty, we refrain from interfering with what nature is doing, because it is not possible for our individuality to succeed in what nature is naturally accomplishing. If we try in any way, we can only cause strain, therefore we don't try to stop the mantra as it is becoming finer and finer.

This is the inward stroke of meditation. Allow it to go to whatever extent it goes. We don't stop the mantra when it is going away and we don't resist thoughts as they come. Innocent is the way to deal with natural phenomena. Innocence is the technique of TM. Whenever we find that a thought has come up, we quietly, innocently come back to the mantra. Thoughts result from the release of some stress and therefore we can only have a friendly attitude towards it. Never do we grumble against thoughts because grumbling against thoughts means grumbling against the release of stress and that means grumbling against the most intimate effect of successful meditation.

    Grid Diagram
  1. What we mean by stress and how it got there: Physiological abnormality at the material or structural level caused by undo pressure of experience (overload). Introduce bubble diagram and grid.
  2. How it can be dissolved: The natural and most effective way of eliminating stress is through rest. The rest gained during sleep is valuable in eliminating the normal fatigue of the day. The deeper and more significant rest gained during TM allows the body spontaneously to throw off the deeper accumulated stresses.
  3. What happens during this process: When this process of release of stress occurs, there is an increase in physiological activity in the nervous system. This produces a corresponding increase in mental activity, which is experienced as thoughts in meditation. With this knowledge about the mechanics of TM we now have a basis for understanding all our experiences during meditation.

    NOTE: [Macro error: Can't compile this script because of a syntax error.] It's just like diving. Even a shallow dive brings us out refreshed -- to move towards purity, i.e., towards a field of greater happiness, i.e., to "throw off" impurities. (snowplow analogy -- clear the way and advance.41)

    NOTE: Someone's experience is a good launching pad for discussion of stress release.

    What is now essential is to relate the mechanics of TM to the meditator's specific experiences. All these experiences will fall into the following general categories:

1. Mantra
Vehicle for inward stroke of meditation (principle of comfortable ride)
2. Thoughts
The release of stress is physical. Physical activity causes mental activity. It is the quality of the stress that structures the mood of the mind. Mind cannot have a mood on an abstract basis. Therefore mind picks up something familiar, something of the environment now, and justifies its mood on this basis. If one is guided by the meaning, by the meaning of a thought, then one is completely misled. The thought may be my friend coming tomorrow. To this is attributed the happy mood but in actuality the happy thought has been structured by the mood that arose from the release of a stress which was caused by some experience of overpowering happiness. This is the reason our policy is not to be moved or guided by thoughts in meditation. We don't take thoughts seriously. We don't give any importance to any thought. We don't act on thoughts that arise during meditation, just because they came during meditation. When we want to act on a thought that came during meditation then we consider it from the level of common sense afterwards. Thoughts are not the dissolving but are the by products of dissolving process (analogy: cleaning house -- dust flies -- why bother to look at dust). So we don not bother analyzing thoughts, we comfortably come back to the mantra.

3. Amount of thoughts

(Initiator should ask meditators, "How many have felt that they were having many thoughts?" or "How many people have felt that they were absorbed in thoughts for a long time, or day dreaming, etc.?" Such questions are important to bring out the teaching and should be employed frequently.)

ANSWER: Many thoughts indicate a valuable release of stress. Being absorbed in a thought or daydreaming, etc., means a continued dissolution of some stress. When the activity of release of stress is completed, thoughts no longer grip the mind, we become aware, "Oh, I am aware I am thinking thoughts." Then this is the green light to come back to the mantra.

4. Mantra & thoughts
Some release of stress occurs but not sufficient to overshadow the mantra. We take it as it comes.
5. Mantra becoming finger
"Sometimes the mantra gets fainter and there is some light dissolving of stress which is just enough to keep the mantra from going any finer. Then the mantra seems to stay on the gross levels but it has become faint enough to start the release of stress which then may prevent it from getting fainter. At this point the mantra keeps going and at that time we don't become annoyed with the mantra because it is not becoming fainter or subtler. We are unconcerned with how the mantra goes -- just take it as it comes. What holds the mantra from becoming finer? The release of stress due to deep rest causes some mental activity which is not strong enough to overshadow the mantra from that level."

"At any time we don't mind if the mantra does not become finer. Our policy is not to look for refinement of the mantra."

"In a lighted room, we don't expect any shadow. Nevertheless every object casts a shadow. As light increases, shadows move and our attention may go to that movement. But shadows are moving on their way out (and then ultimately when the light surrounds the object there can be no more shadow). In this analogy the body is like the room and the pure nature of creative intelligence (pure consciousness) is like the light. As the influence of the pure nature of creative intelligence increases, all aspects of the nervous system become enlivened; and as this enlivening influences increases, it dissolves the stress which inhibits and restricts the light of the pure nature of creative intelligence."

The disappearing of the stresses is likened to the moving of the shadows and as the light of the pure nature of creative intelligence enlivens the nervous system more and more, stresses dissolve and eventually all the stresses disappear, and then there's no obstruction to the full brilliance of the pure nature of creative intelligence. In this state, life is lived in pure consciousness. This is the state which we will deal with tomorrow. Now, coming back to the analogy; when the shadows move, since we have been accustomed to them (stresses), we may feel some uneasiness, some roughness.42 This could result in a desire to get up out of meditation. The experience will depend on how fast the shadow is moving, how fast the shadow is being released. Then is not the time to get up. This is the time for the mind to cooperate with the body, which is losing its familiar acquaintances. Stress has been sitting there for a very long time.

"We know it for what it is, release of stress. IF the release of stress is very dominant, don't try to force the mantra, ease off, and the mind will be innocently drawn to some physical activity in the body (checking notes) When the situation is easier, and we notice that other thoughts are coming, we quietly come back to the mantra."

6. Two minutes of silence at the end of meditation
It is very important not to jump out of meditation. If we come out fast, the system will receive a shock. During meditation the system continues to be more and more restful. When this is the case then it's good to give it a moment to stop that process before going into activity. Thereby we prevent a shock. You don't put the car in forward gear while it is reversing. The transition from increasing rest to activity should be gradual in case, during meditation, unknowingly, some little effort has occurred and owing to that some stress has accumulated.43 During the two minutes of silence this can be neutralized. Another point -- in case during this period of quietness one feels some sensation in the body, mind will naturally locate it and in feeling it for these two minutes of silence most of it will dissolve. I said most of it -- that means in case some of it continues to be felt after two minutes, don't mind -- easily get up and start activity.44

There may be a third situation in which the sensation continues to be felt even after meditation. This will indicate that some stress is continuing to be released. The best way to deal with it is either continue feeling it for another five minutes sitting, eyes closed, or lie down with closed eyes, continue feeling it. If sleep comes, let it come.

In case strong physical sensations are felt, it is advisable to keep the eyes closed for some time. Sit quietly until sensations significantly diminish.

7. "No mantra, no thought"
This is transcending or inner wakefulness. It's possible to have a clear or perhaps hazy experience of this.

We may transcend many times during a particular meditation, perhaps even for a fraction of a second, but whether we experience this clearly or vaguely, the value of pure consciousness begins to be established in activity.


This evening we have discussed the inward and outward strokes of TM. Inward stroke is based on the natural tendency of the mind to evolve. Outward stroke on the natural tendency of body to evolve. Whether during meditation we find the inward or outward predominates, we are happy45 with what is happening because we know that development of both mind and body are necessary to support freedom and fulfillment in life.


Talk about activity, bring out the value of activity. "We have seen that we don't meditate for the sake of meditation. It is out of meditation that we enjoy the results of meditation. When TM is added to the routine of life, then transcendental consciousness, pure consciousness, the pure nature of creative intelligence, rises into waking activity and makes us more creative day by day and brings life to higher levels of achievements. Tomorrow evening we'll go into higher states of consciousness."

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