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The following is a typical e-mail exchange with a present member of the Unification Church, containing most of the accusations I usually get. As you can tell, I also got upset at some points... (sorry if I got cynnical, but you'd understand had you had the experiences I had...!)
From: Ingo Michehl
At 03:51 PM 7/12/97 -0400, you wrote:
Ingo,
I hope you did not pay real money for this grossly outdated
list: http://trancenet.net/moonism/uclist.shtml to our friend
Dennis? Would be a waste of money. He should have thrown it in
as pro-bono.
> No, I actually got it for free. And not from Dennis - whoever that may be, either. Sounds like your upset, though?
That's only slightly presumptuous of you.
Do you have a problem with English comprehension?
>No, not really. Don't think so.
>Your tone gives away your cult membership. Let me guess - a
long
time Moonie?
Actually no. Again if you would do your homework, you should know that. ...
>You're probably right - there are now much more front groups than those listed on my site. Would you like to add some so I can update my list?
No but if you search the net and do your homework you can easily do so.
You see the sloppiness coupled with cocksuredness really spoils your show.
It looses a lot of credibility. That is one of the reasons why I am not
even trying
to engage you in a dialogue. It is difficult to expect honesty from
someone
who even deceives himself. Not knowingly or intentionally though.
What puzzles me as why are you trying to find a scapegoat?
Or is that a German thing?
Then again Germans do like to make lists, like the lists they
had for Kristallnacht.....
>Aha. Thought so. Now you're trying the Nazi guilt trip again. Gosh,
how old and pitiful. Oh, you poor, persecuted Moonie. The whole world is
against you - and especially us former members who dare to speak out and expose
the things the church would rather NOT have people know about.
Oh,
of course, it would be so much more democratic for me just to shut up and let the
church continue lying to the public and messing with people's minds as they
did with mine for over 6 years ...and as they are still doing with
yours. So why not try a little guilt trip or reverse psychology to
shut me up? Sure. How easy and convenient it is to neglect the fact
that Mr. Moon is trying to build a world empire with himself as the
absolute, totalitarian leader, his words counting as law ...when you're trying to justify your position and slam your critics. And
how heavenly indeed! Oh yes, and how totally unjustified the
reversal of the accusation would be - after all, Mr. Moon gives equal value to black people, Jews,
Japanese and Korean. That's why you see so many black people and Jews in top
leadership positions. And that's why you see so few Japanese running around
with a guilt complex about what their horrible ancestors did to the
Koreans, and so few Germans being told that they are responsible for the atrocities
ofNazi Germany, right?
>What a genius way to control people! Guilt is still one of the most
powerful motivations. Next to fear - which also of course never used in the UC.
Like, no one is running around being afraid of being invaded by satan,
right? ...especially if they should ever dare to leave the church or
turn against Mr. Moon!
And tell me - what's the big difference between the "chosen race"
and the "master race"? Am I following someone who is promoting such
a master race or are you? So stop twisting the facts, ok!
Boy that triggered a lot! Actually I was only pointing out that it may be
a sign of
German punctuality, orderliness.
>Oh really. So that's why you referred to the German listmaking for
Kristallnacht...? Nice try to wiggle your way out. Lame excuse.
It is guilt only if there is a
foundation. If the hat
don't fit, don't wear it.
>I'm not wearing it, and that's why I tell you. But I get damn mad if
someone tries to still jam it on my head as if I were still in the
church. So you really ought to think about pulling the historical
guilt trip on a German who wasn't even born at the time but who has
been getting this sort of shit for all his life - while you Americans
who did just as horrible things with the blacks, or the Russians
under Stalin who killed 10 times as many of their own people, etc pp.
never even get mentioned leave alone blamed. If there is a scapegoat
thing going on, historically, it's the GERMAN thing! And I really am
damn tired of it - especially when it comes from a Moonie who is
following a man who wants to take over the world and who claims that
Jews and blacks and women have had (and still have) to pay for their
caintype ancestor's sins!
I don't do psych. It's just another religion
and I have enough
of that, thank you.
Rev. Moon does not assign value to people.
>Really. If you were able to think about that critically and reflect
on your experiences in the church you probably realize that is not
true. (See my previous examples)
Neither does God. So he ain't about to override the Boss.
>God doesn't. Mr. Moon does. What does that tell you?
People establish their own value. I can
understand your personal confusion about that.
NO confusion. Perfectly clear ...that UC members have their values
made up for them ..by Mr. Moon! Or did you come up with the value
that Korea is to be honored as the Fatherland and that Koreans are
special people because they are the chosen race??????
It fits perfectly where you are know.
I mean in your life, in your journey in life. You see I can picture you,
years from know, when you will look back on these exchanges with incredulity. I am
not saying that you will reverse and "return" to the Church. That is really
unimportant if you don't desire so. If things are the way I believe they are, you and
I WILL know the truth in Spirit world.
>As you said IF! What if not? With Mr. Moon's own "sinless" children
denouncing him, with all the contradictions between the DP and the
Bible, and even within the DP, etc. ...chances are that if anything
you may regret having waisted your life for a powerhungry, mad con
artist, a false Messiah.
But I think you will realize, down on the line, that your life is like the
pendulum.
Now you have swung to the other side.
As far as I am concerned it really IS immaterial if you believe the DP or
not, that
Father is your Messiah or not. However it greatly matters to you and your
life.
If you can't live with that truth, then you must leave it, as you did.
>Another logical mistake. I left only because I realized that it is
NOT the truth! That was my commitment to myself - that I would never
leave unless I was absolutely convinced that DP was not true and that
Mr. Moon was not the Messiah. It took 6 1/2 years to figure that out,
as well as a lot of prayer and bible study! It's easy and ok to be
deceived - but it's important to have the courage to face up to it
and then act on the realization, regardless of how painful or scary
it is!
Taking responsibility for your life, as you well should. But don't try to
scapegoat.
>Give me a specific example of where I scapegoat, not just some
general, meaningless accusation. I simply share my experience and
conclusions about the UC (as said about 10 times now)!
If people deceived you, they WILL reap their "reward". If you don't
believe in that Universal truth, then you WILL seek revenge and go around feeling
the need to badmouth others. However that DISABLES you to take full
responsibility for your own self.
>You know, listening to you is really tiring! You keep sputting out
these rote, narrow-minded, abusive, hypocritical allegations, without
ever even checking yourself, it seems. And you simply don't want to
listen or understand what I am saying.
As I already told you at least 2 or 3 times, I am not "badmouthing"
or "seeking revenge" - I am simply exposing what I have experienced
as the true nature of a corrupt and false organization, which I
perceive as my social responsibility and as a way to process the
trauma I and many others received!
This is not criticism, it is an observation from my own personal life.
>Yeah, right, first you say I don't seek universal truth but revenge,
and then you say it's not criticism. Ridiculous!
You see I am old enough to be your father. I have a 29 year old son and
3 year old grandson.
>Is your age the reason why you are not able to open your mind and
consider the possibility that you might have been deceived? It's
never too late, you know... although I can imagine how frightning
such perspectives must be, especially if you invested a large part of
your life in such an organization. We tend to justify that which
we have invested in. The more we invested, the more we justify.
I have been through hell and back, and believe you me I know a scam if I
see one. The UC isn't one. This is my honest opinion, shared with you,
as one human being to another.
>Not as a "Church"-member.
But are you NOT a church member? Is then not your opinion determined
by the church and your experience in it??
We don't have the objective distance to critically evaluate a pardigm
while we are in it. That's the trick with which they got us: Learn it
first, own it - THEN you can judge it. What they didn't tell us is
that once you're IN it, i.e. once you have learned the teaching, you
don't have the critical distance to evaluate it any more. You teach
it, you own it, you justify it.
>See, the thing is, while you're in a scam you never realize it. You
wouldn't be in it otherwise, would you? Who knowingly and willingly
joins a scam ....or a cult? Would you have joined if you had known
that you would be selling flowers and pictures on the street 20 hours
a day, that you would be bowing to the picture of a Korean, pledging
your life to him every Sunday, and that you would have to do 7
perhaps even 21 or 40 day fasts (I know church members who have done
it!), without pay or social security? And that this Korean man claims
he is the perfect son of God, the Messiah, and that he would chose
your spouse? WOULD YOU HAVE JOINED?
IF NOT, isn't it a sign that you were influenced (manipulated) to do
something you would never have done otherwise?
>Imagine you woke up one morning after the doctor had told you to
close your eyes for an injection and found out the doctor removed your
tonsils, your appendix and your prostata as a preventative measure,
cause there is a chance you might develop cancer there?
How would you feel? Kind of upset? Why? ...because you weren't able
to give your INFORMED CONSENT!
>It's only after you've been brainwashed that you justify this
deception and manipulation as ok because "otherwise I wouldn't have
joined (the Messiah)"... which is circular reasoning from within the
church paradigm. The end justifies the means. Is that what you
believed before joining the church?
If Scientology did that to one of your kids or grandkids cause they
also believe they have the truth - would that be ok with you?
All the best to you:
> Is that really what you meant? I don't think so! That's another thing I don't like: Hypocrisy! If you wish me to hell then say it!
No I don't wish you hell.
We all create our own hell.
>I am fortunately no longer living in hell. I left it 4 years ago...
How about you?
Laszlo Z. Weress
Just because one "learns" something that does not mean that the lesson
becomes the person. I think your attitude exhibits that splendidly.
Chill, will ya?
> Why don't you let your German wife read this e-mail and give you and me
some feedback? I'd be curious to hear her position. I wonder how she would
feel about your attack against Germans, using the historical guilt trip. Does
she still have to "pay indemnity" for Germany?
My wife is NOT German. Actually she might be Jewish.
You keep wanting to talk with my wife? What's your alterior motive?
Division of a Blessed family? How noble!
>Nope. Didn't even think of that. No, the reason is that I thought I
had read on your web page that your wife was from Germany. Maybe I
got that confused. But it would have really interested me hearing her
opinion if she were German because I don't think she would have liked
your nazi implications very much. But if she were Jewish, I could
understand your position much better.
My aunt married a German and I have a German cousin. Lives in Munchen;-).
I am about 1/16th German, the rest of it Hungarian.
How about you? How did your parents fared in '42? Bet, don't have a drop
Jewish
blood in you! Not that you would admit to anyway......
Hey, what if my grandfather had had a vision telling him he's the Messiah and he
had "received" (developed) a teaching showing from the Bible and
historical sources why he was the Christ, that even his birth year
was during the expected time period for the return of the Lord?
Would you have believed him?
Ingo
E-mail your response
To: Weress
Subject: Re: UM list
Date: Friday, July 18, 1997 6:21 PM
That by the way would be a criminal act. In my opinion what the UC
does is not only unethical but criminal: taking away people's
personal freedoms and turning them into dedicated, obedient,
nonquestioning members who perform slavetype labor, who have a
totally altered personality (ask the people that knew you before the
church) - without even initially telling the person who they really
are or what they are trying to do (i.e. recruit and change him/her)!!!!!
> I believe you wrote to me before. So we're back to the abusive style now,
eh? Well, now, don't we have a bad temper. Is that the heavenly style -
the result of being a true UC member for many years? The true, unconditional
love and respect one learns as a follower of Rev. Moon?
>Haha. Don't like it when I shoot back with the guns you use?
GOSH - am I glad I'm not a member any more!!!
You can pull that shit on other members perhaps (maybe your center
members?)
- but not with me. All I can say is GO FLY A KITE ...and keep burrying
your head in the sand so you won't see what is really going on in the UC!
As far as I am concerned you are punished enough already. Such bitterness
and hatred that you project onto me is a sign of a truly miserable life
which needs MUCH justification cause you can't face the reality of the UC
and its implications. My web page was written about three years ago as a
way to process my experience. I simply shared my thoughts and experiences.
Nowadays I just get ticked off when brainwashed idiots like you accuse me
of the very thing they are doing!
>No, as far as I know, we don't, which really wouldn't matter to me at
all if we did. But for your information, my grandfather was one of
the first Nazis - until he realized what was going on and began
opposing them. He was sent to a sort of gulag, a death camp in
northern Scandinavia where they had to build a road in the ice
while the guards were withholding the food they received etc.
He
barely survived, weighing about 90 pounds. He then was courtmartialed
because in letters to his family he had exposed what was going on
there. But somehow the head of the German Navy stood up for him and
vindicated him, and the guards up there were punished for the
inhumanity towards their prisoners. My grandfather was one of the few
Germans who actually stood up to the atrocities of the Nazi regime.
He was not afraid to expose them, to speak out what he felt was true.
And neither am I afraid to speak out and expose the injustice and manipulation commited by a destructive cult.
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