Path: digex.net!uunet!cs.utexas.edu!howland.reston.ans.net!noc.near.net!news.delphi.com!news.delphi.com!not-for-mail From: jk840@news.delphi.com (JK840@DELPHI.COM) Newsgroups: alt.meditation.transcendental Subject: Re: A new TM "fair game" doctrine? (was WITNESSING) Date: 1 Dec 1993 01:20:10 -0500 Organization: General Videotex Corporation Lines: 79 Message-ID: <2dhd2q$e1r@news.delphi.com> References: NNTP-Posting-Host: news.delphi.com All this discussion of lawsuits... I am on the system now (Pat Ryan). The court in Washington D.C. ruled that TM teachers are agents of the movement. The movement lies. Mahesh lies. Teachers of TM tell lies. Lets just look at some of the lies; Movement Claims [MC] Facts [F] [MC] TM is not a religion. [F] NJ court rules TM a religion. Court of appeals rules TM is a religion. Malnak vs Yogi 592 F.2d 197 (1979). [MC] Mantras are meaningless sounds. Selected for each person based upon a system of rules or formulae by which they are assigned to individuals. [F] Maharishi states in Beacon Light of the Himalayas (10/55) *We can take any word..even the word mike can be taken..thus we find that any sound can serve our purpose of training the mind to become sharp. For our practice, we select only the suitable mantras of personal gods. Such mantras fetch to us the grace of personal gods and make us happier in every walk of life. As to the formulae by which mantras are give...each TM teacher is given a set of mantras to teach. I have discovered 21 sets of mantras. Some teachers have 2 mantra to teach, others have 4, 6, 8, 10, 12, 14, 16 or 17 mantras to teach. Some teachers give mantras by an age criteria other TM teachers give mantras by a sex criteria, while still other TM teachers give mantras by an age and sex criteria. What one TM teacher gives a 30 year old male another TM teacher gives Man or women age 55-60. As for the science of mantras, it is not a science. [MC] TM comes from an ancient tradition - that has preserved the technique and has a procedure to insure that TM is kept pure. [F] Then there is the puja. The ceremony that is performed to protect the Holy Tradition teaching from change. It seems it does not work. Since 1960 the TM holy of holy - the steps of initiation have also changed, as has the translation of the puja. The mantras have changed, the steps of initiation have changed and the, translation of the puja has changed! [MC] There are no adverse effects of TM. [F] Read the checking notes. What are overpowering thoughts? What are body movements? What about the studies by Otis, Heide, Borkovec, Glueck, Stroebel, French, Lazarus, Persinger, Castillo,Holmes, Solomon, Cappo, Greenberg the West German Government and others? [MC] In 1977 the Movement produced a book called Enlightenment and the Siddhis. In the book are listed experiences - *I was sitting on a couch meditating at the time ... and my body moved up and down on the couch about tree times and the next experience I had was of hearing my body touch the floor. I say hearing because I didn't feel it until after I heard it. It touched down, very, very softly. There was very little feeling of contact. I moved about a six foot distance at that time. [F] No one has ever levitated. Where was this person at the last Yogic Flying races? This is fradulent. [MC]In England they claimed they could cure AIDS, [F] The doctors who claimed it lost their licenses - for ever- it seems the Maharishi cure involved eating feces. All the victim died. The doctors now are part of the TM Natural Law party. And on and on and on.. The TM-EX Newsletter documents the facts. TM-EX POB 7565, Arlington, VA 22207.